Roy Tang

If he was running for Batman, then maybe it might be ok. But he's running for President.

So who is ur president now? Boycott voting na lang? Hehe

Binay na lang lol

uh, he did apologize didn't he?

People defending that comment really made my skin crawl. Like you said, pwede naman mag sorry. But he didn't and his supporters don't seem to be sorry about it either. And that what makes me suddenly scared. I could easily believe all that he has done for davao, i also believe that he truly wants to get rid of crime and criminals.. But you really have to think about what he is also and what he stands for, and you get to see how his mind really works with his comments.. And for me that makes him a dangerous person. Not because that he might do good for this country, and really, i'm coming this close to believing that he might be the one to actually put everyone in order (coz like you, i don't mind if he wipes out the rest of the rapists and pedophiles and psychopaths and killers) but seeing his supporters defend him on his every flaw makes me scared of the general mindset of the people who want him to be president. (Do they think that way too? Sayang Maganda to, dapat nauna nalang ako dito..? ) pwede naman mag sorry…

Despite what Zack Snyder would want you to think, Batman doesnt kill people. I wouldn't vote him as Batman either :p

After the death of another Robin in the Killing Joke series, he softened his stance against lethal methods di ba? Or mali naalala ko.

/puts on comic book guy hat. Walang namatay sa Killing Joke. You probably mean Jason Todd being killed by Joker in the 80s, but nonlethal pa rin sya all the way. When Jason got rezzed two decades later, it was part of why he was angry with Bruce - pinatay na sya at lahat pero buhay pa din si Joker

Would Batman make the same joke? 😜

Hindi, kalaban nga nya si Joker e :p

Ok ok fine. I'm not a comic book guy. :)

Roy ay sorry. # footInMouth I mixed the Killing Joke with a Death in the Family (?) plus BvS Batman.

Right, a Death in the Family. Nagblank din ako dun sa title nung nagreply ako kanina (so much for comic book guy hat lol)

tingin ko parang deadpool.

Si Miriam daw si Deadpool may cancer and mahilig magjoke :p

are you trivializing cancer?

No, I'm trivializing deadpool!

SO it has come to this. Dun dun DUNNNN.

And here we are. In this moment. We stand at this crossroads my friends.

somebody start a podcast. sali ako.

pass the popcorn pls

Seneres. Loljk. Ewan pa. I'll probably just vote Poe or Roxas depende sa mood ko when I wake up on May 9 :p

si intergalactic guy na! or yung guy na ilelegalize yung 4 seasons! :D

I want four seasons

https://www.facebook.com/philstarnews/videos/10156981868615713/ Later in the same interview: "I am sorry in general. I am sorry for the Filipino people. It is my style. It is my mouth. I said that in the heat of anger."

and this does not qualify for you?

eto ata yung raw footage, Roy https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1097&v=EoA4AF3lJd4

he said I will not apologize for what I said don't control control my mouth about 4x in that interview

Jojo Ty yes. directed to particular entities. but to the filipino people he said he was sorry for his gutter mouth. in so many words. tama ba?

he said he was sorry to the Filipino people because he felt accountable for the crime committed (which I took to mean the shooting of the rapists). he didn't say sorry for his gutter mouth he said ganyan talaga magsalita ang mga lalaki.

i see. and if he does say that specific thing, you will be satisfied?

nope. he will need to clean up his acts, his language, his demeanor. and when he can finally act like a president we won't be embarassed to speak before the UN, I will consider his resume.

ay sorry Roy I think the last question was for you. sorry nahijack ko ang post mo.

i see. most of what you say is mostly form. Does substance count less with you if you are dissatisfied with the form you perceive?

Ok lang yan Jojo the more the merrier lol. Nick I steppd out, mamaya na ako magreply

Okay, here we go. Re: form and substance, it actually feels to me a bit like the opposite. His statement could technically be considered an apology I guess, it kind of takes the form of an apology: the word sorry is there after all. But yung substance is lacking. He displays no remorse for it, no understanding of why his words were a problem. He further trivializes rape in the same interview by calling a rival candidate unrapeable and implying ganyan talaga magsalita mga lalaki lalo sa mga mahihirap (kawawa naman mga mahihirap parati na lang nastereotype). It feels like a half-assed apology at best. You know how when you're a kid and you do something bad but you don't understand why it's bad except all the adults are telling you that you should say sorry, so you say sorry kasi sabi nila e? That's what it feels like for me. To put another way: There's currently a controversy with the LP about giving out envelopes or such during campaign rallies. How would you feel if Roxas made a statement like "I am sorry in general. I am sorry for the Filipino people. It is our style, ganyan talaga ang rallies namin", would you feel satisfied by that statement? Would it feel like a sincere apology? I'm sure many supporters of your candidate would jump at that statement. Anyway, if you consider that already an apology then more power to you. I already posted above what I think (for me) an acceptable response would have been. Even half that might have been okay. But that's fine, I don't expect or want him to make any further statement. I've accepted that he is who he is (as I'm sure you have as well). This post was mostly geared towards the supporters who seem to feel like no apology at all is necessary. Seriously, one of your fellow supporters made a post leading with "NO APPOLOGIES" (typo included). Madami ding post from supporters saying ok lang kasi kesyo pinatay naman nya yung mga criminal, etc, as if that makes everything better. People need to understand why those words were a problem and why an apology would be necessary and why people should not be thinking like that.

Actually even the press release fr the campaign team says he did not apologize bec it was said in anger. Source: https://www.facebook.com/dee.kei.43/posts/915544141877206 The guy who originally posted the scr cap works at rappler

here's a perspective: https://web.facebook.com/zayapono/posts/10209323149614895?pnref=story

I actually agree to what she said.. I couldn't care less about his personal life, i didn't think it was a problem na babaero sha, lasinggero, goons or what not. I couldn't care less if he isn't religious or uses God in his speeches. (I am actually very wary of people who use God in their proclamations and speeches) Because i wanted to vote for him before! I wanted him to wipe out all those bad guys- and that's just me with wishful thinking. I am now scared of what he stands for, and how people look up to him no matter how wrong he is. Because, HE might have the best intentions, HE might just use the excuse that lalaki lang sha kaya ganyan sha magsalita, HE might be the savior that the Philippines is looking for.. But what about the rest who defend him? Ok lang yun? Hindi pwede mag sorry? Lalaki lang ako, uy maganda rapeable, etc? He can do all the good in the world, and he can also say sorry for his shortcomings. But by saying he isn't sorry just perpetuates that culture, and i'm scared of those people who can just let that pass. Because, no matter how good his intentions are, how about the intentions of the others who think that way too?

Macho mentality.

Boto na lang natin si Robredo, tapos pagdasal na mamatay sino man ang Presidente. Or boto natin si Miriam na Presidente, tutal ang objection naman sa kanya is her health and longevity. If the objection holds true, the reward is a Robredo presidency.

Lol, ang galing mo mangampanya ah, binaliktad mo yung disadvantage

Pwede!

Di ba? I don't think anyone objects to Leni as VP. Pwedeng may iba silang kandidato, pero hindi end of the world for anyone pag nanalo si Robredo. Now, sa mga Presidentiables , maraming objections kay Duterte, this post highlighting one of them. Maraming objections kay Mar and his teka-teka style. Maraming objections kay Poe na Amerikano, at kay Binay na corrupt. Ano ang objectiion kay Miriam? Certainly not her academic achievements. Not her experience in the 3 branches of government, and in the international sphere. Not the fact that she has taught thousand of students and authored thousands of bills. Ang masasabi mo lang na masama sa kanya, may sakit sya, baka hindi nya matapos term nya. In which case, kesa mag-abstain for Pres and Robredo for VP, eh di boto mo na lang si MDS for Pres and Leni for VP. That way, you either have MDS as President, or she dies and Robredo assumes the Presidency. Let's face it: in the Consti, the VP's one job is to wait for the death or incapacity of the President. She can decline all cabinet positions, and it's not like in the States where the VP is the the Senate President also. Dito, walang trabaho ang VP pag di sya tumanggap ng cabinet position. At kahit ayaw mo din talaga kay Miriam, ang masasabi ko lang, si Miriam may sakit, yung 4 na kalaban nya, ewan ko lang, alam mo naman ang masamang damo, baka never na mamatay mga yun. So, elect Miriam. Again, her one failing is that she may die soon. If she doesn't, we'll have a seasoned politician. If she does, though, then that thrusts VP Robredo into the Presidency, and isn't that what we really want?

Sa totoo lang Weng naisip ko din yan hahahaha

Tama na Weng nako-convince mo na ko! Hahaha.

health… … and choice of allies. delikado din yun.

But ang running mate nya, si BBM. Na by vote din lang makakapwesto, at hindi pwedeng i-appoint for 1 year, and whoesever she appoints will need the agreement of the Commission on Appointments (who are lawmakers, mostly), so this means also na ang labanan talaga ay sa choice of senators =)

I dont think she's even benefitting from the "alliance" with BBM, never naman sya prinopromote nun. At this stage flipping on him would probably earn her more votes than she loses

di lang appointees. yung mga kakampihan niya din pagdating ng panahon. medyo may history siya dun. staunch ally, oo. pero yari tayo pag may maling kinampihan.

Well, ang masasabi ko lang dyan, every candidate here has allies we don't like. In voting for MDS, for me kasi sya yung least objectionable, unlike kay Robredo na for me sya ang most qualified.

may time na kinampanya ko din yang MirLeni.

So far, this is my combo.

Malapit mo na ako makumbinsi Wynner. Ginagamitan mo ata ako ng lawyer tricks di ko napapansin lol

Hmmm. Or we could elect Leni and assassinate the President. Hahahaha. :D

jokes are always half-meant, hahaha

Question still remains why she chose BBM as VP. If it was money, then she might be offered it again when she becomes president and who knows what she will have to do if she accepts. If it was for popularity (she gets voted by Marcos loyalists), would that mean she would be indebted to the Marcoses for her win and again, what would she need to do for them when she becomes President?

Remind me to tell you the real way this country works next time we see each other Joy Reyes-Madamba . It's quite elegant in a Game of Thrones way. Haha. Sigh. # BayanKo

But Maoi, haven't you heard? Change is coming!

Maoi Arroyo , in that case lets vote Binay haha

Roy Tang yes Whether we like it or else.

Maoi if it's in a Game of Thrones way then I'm definitely not voting for Miriam haha (I don't watch the series BTW, I just read the books which is kinda worse :P )

Joy Reyes-Madamba the series is pretty faithful to the books. :)

Maoi said it. Ours is a democratic country that is proliferated by kingmakers. BBM has machinery on the ground. This is important for MDS, given her limited capacity to campaign. Nobody campaigns successfully without logistics. Sad but true. Anyway, the choice of running mate is not that important in RP politics, because the P and VP are elected independently of each other. I guess the moral issue is what's making people think twice, but GPL has Cojuangco and Ang, Binay has the Makati Taxpayer's money in his pocket, Duterte has rabid supporters, and Mar is an Araneta with the biggest party backing him up. MDS needs resources; BBM is the only VP aspirant who has them and is not running with anybody else. OR, maybe, MDS believes that it's time to separate BBM from FEM. While it's true that BBM was not a kid when martial law happened and to this day he is the executor of the Marcos estate which is involved in pending litigations in court, the biggest objection to BBM, apart from the "thievery" cases which are pending in court, is FEM's martial law reign. But under the 1987 Constitution, it is impossible now to call for general martial law without the concurrence of Congress, and without a judicial review of the factual necessity of martial law by the SC.

Exaclty, Miriam needs/needed the resources. What would she need to do in return? It would be hard to separate BBM from FEM for the reason you mentioned, he is the executor of the Marcos estate, which means he's still holding (and most probably using!) the money they stole from the Filipinos. There's evidence that they have no plans of giving it back (e.g. US Supreme Court contempt ruling if I am correct) so no, I don't think anyone should separate BBM from the FEM issue.

Weng Santos analysis is accurate to what I am willing to say in public. :)

That's just one case. There are actually many pending cases in local courts, which BBM has the duty to oppose as the executor of the estate (the executor's qualifications requires faithfulness to the estate, in the face of claims, especially given our adversarial system of proceedings). So it's a legal matter, and the prosecution must make its cases through evidence, just like any legal matter. That's due process. Unfortunately, I've personal knowledge of some cases where the PCGG / OSG has miserably failed at meeting their burden of proof, or worse, where cases have been pending for 30 years without even making it to pro-trial, because of course, it's a Marcos case and nobody wants to dismiss, even if the prosecution cannot produce any evidence whatsoever. I mean, gusto ko naman makakuha sila at maibalik sa taongbayan, pero pano naman? Nagagalit actually ako bilang mamamayan na pinapasweldo natin yang mga yan, PCGG at OSG, tapos ganyan, they lose in court, or they win innocuously. You know they even asked BBM na, to show his earnest bid for higher office, that he ask all his lawyers to withdraw every pending motion or opposition filed in court? That's an admission that they can't win a fair fight, that they are asking someone to waive the "non-waiveable" constitutional right to due process. As for what MDS must do in return, I honestly don't know. But nobody gets anything for free in this world. Maybe, though, having MDS as running mate is enough recompense for BBM. Let's face it, without MDS, it's all anti-Marcos. With MDS, he gets in on conversations like these, where even a non-supporter (aka ME) is forced to defend his right to fairness.

But to be clear, Miriam-Leni ako hahaha. My mind is set.

Meron palang things that Maoi Arroyo won't say in public haha

Oh Roy, you have no idea. :)

Ply her with Scotch, maybe she'll change her mind :D

Mag guest ka sa podcast namin ni Wes Platon , baka mapa-spill ka namin lol

podcast na to. bago mag election.

No sorry. Evem with scotch there are things i will not say in public.